internet lab | Podcast Season: 1 - Episode: 7 / Release date: 24-11-2022

1:1 with Jesper Lund

Key Quotes

"Traffic volumes have always increased (...) if end users buy Internet subscriptions, and use them to access whatever content they want, that is by design."
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"This is really a business opportunity for telcos: because these online services create demand for faster Internet access services, everybody needs an Internet access service these days."
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"One misunderstanding (...) is that online services (...) send large volumes of traffic into the networks of telcos. (...) Traffic is always sent at the explicit request of the end user, who has already paid for the Internet access."
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"Traffic volumes are increasing. This doesn't mean that the costs are going up for telcos because (...) new equipment can handle greater (...) traffic for the same or even lower prices."
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"It actually helps the telcos (...) that the large content and application providers have built their own content delivery networks that deliver the traffic very close to the local access network of the ISP."
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"The payment structure for (...) Internet access has always been based on the principle that everybody, whether its end users that consume content or online services which provide content, pays for their own access to the internet."
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"[ETNO’s] proposal (...) is basically an attempt to (...) create artificially high termination fees, and [big telcos] are demanding regulations for this because they cannot get it through commercial agreements."
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"This was actually suggested by ETNO 10 years ago, and protected by the regulators in theory, and nothing has changed in the meantime."
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"There's no evidence that charging high termination fees leads to higher investment. Actually, studies of the cellphone market show the contrary."
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"[The fair share idea of] Sending Party Network Pays will interfere with the principle of net neutrality."
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"We will be paying twice. First, we will be paying for access to the Internet, which can be used on Netflix (...) and then we will indirectly have to pay the network costs that are pushed on to Netflix."
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"The Sending Party Network Pays payment model has been introduced [in South Korea], with rather disastrous consequences: worse service for end users."
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"Telcos (...) represent a mature industry with a stable demand, there will always be end users that need Internet access and are willing to pay for it (...) There’s no reason why telcos (...) cannot produce profit margins."
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"When looking at and comparing profits, we tend to focus on the current winners among the online services. And they may not exist in 10 or 15 years (...) think of MySpace."
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"Regulatory intervention in network interconnection (...) should be evidence based."
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"Making the telcos dependent on continued large traffic volumes from Big Tech (...) is really creating the wrong incentives from a public policy point of view."
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About Our Guest

Jesper Lund | Chairman - IT-Pol
Jesper Lund is chairman of IT-Pol, a Danish digital rights organisation that works to promote privacy and freedom in the information society. IT-Pol is one of the 44 members of European Digital Rights (EDRi). Since 2014 he has been a key contributor to EDRi's ongoing work on net neutrality. He is a member of the Danish Net Neutrality Forum, hosted by the Telecommunications Industry Association. Besides net neutrality, his work on digital rights currently focuses on data protection in the EU law enforcement area.